#127: Slimy but hard!

Welcome to Blind Guys Chat, where this.

Guy, Oren o' Neill. Hello. And this guy, Yan Bloom. Hello. And Mohammed Lashear.

Hi there.

Talk about the A to Z of life.

Hello, ladies and gentlemen. And you are very welcome to episode 127 of Blind Guys Chat. And I have just remembered that there was no Peugeot 127. However, in Ireland, and I presume across Europe, there was a Fiat 127.

Yeah, yeah, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We had actually Fiat 500. I don't know.

That's also one. Yeah.

Fix it again tomorrow. Yeah, that's what.

But the Fiat Cinquecento, it is still there. The. The six. Yeah, the 500. Yeah. My neighbors have it, you know, my neighbor lady, she has one and she drives it really with an open roof. So it's really a nice, small, handsome car.

Is her head sticking out the roof? Like, is she very tall?

I don't mention anything. Tell my. No, no, no. She is the. She is the boss of Fifi, you know, the girlfriend of Chef. Yeah. So. No, no, there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need to go.

No talking about the buses.

Exactly. And. And also Mr. Chef turned eight years, 26 of June.

Ah, yeah, yeah.

So he can officially. Nine already.

Nine. Yeah, yeah.

Well, that's why he called me. He wanted me to bark Happy birthday on the other.

You see?

What are you talking about?

Yeah, he wanted to do something, you know, I ignored him a little bit.

Yeah. What I ask you, actually, we're talking about driving. Have. Did you. Have you ever had the opportunity to try to drive?

No. Well, I remember as a really young kid, like four or something, sitting on my dad's lap and being allowed to turn the steering wheel.

Oh, yeah.

I could never see well enough to drive. I actually did ride a bicycle, but that's as far as I got. No.

Okay.

That I made enough accidents with the bicycle to, you know, understand that driving a car might not be the best idea in the world.

Yeah.

Did you hear about Tesla? We're doing this demonstration again in California. Somewhere in California.

Yeah, but.

And they were going to open up. They were going to launch a taxi service with the Tesla cars.

Yeah.

That's actually in Austin, Texas, I think.

Oh, is it Austin?

Remember correctly, I think it's Austin, Texas. This is where somewhere in Texas.

They had some. Maybe, Maybe. Right. They had some. There was doing some promotion for it. And the, The Teslas, they. They were breaking the speed limit and breaking the red light at traffic lights. And one of them, one of the cars spotted a police car out past it and then stopped.

So they stopped the police car.

They.

They. There was. So there was a police car parked, let's say, along the. On the road?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know if he was doing speed checks or whatever, but the. The Tesla saw the police car and then decided to stop, just do an emergency break and just stopped. And the people who are like the journalists and that or whatever, were in the back of the car, you know, they were doing a review of this thing. It's like it's running through red lights, it's breaking the speed limit, and now it's just stopped in the middle of the road because it saw a police car.

Who is programming, maybe? No, it's. It's probably they learned from all the data from the Tesla drivers and this is how they behave. I mean, Jan has a Tesla. I'm pretty sure he does this sort of stuff all the time.

Yeah, And I can blame Chantal, you know.

Do you know what else I heard? I don't know if I said this before, maybe I did, but I was talking to somebody a good while ago who was in. Who was in Las Vegas at a conference, and they were telling me about this. This network of roads that exist down. Sorry, in. Underneath all the hotels. So there's a. There's basically a road that it operates, but only with electric cars, I think, like Teslas or whatever.

Yeah, they built it actually, for ces.

Oh, is that it?

So. So Elon Musk has another company. It's called the Boring Company, essentially. Yeah, it is boring. It digs tunnels and it dug this whole system for Teslas to drive around in autonomously, bring people from convention center to convention center. This was a big deal, I think like five or six or seven years ago or something. But I don't hear ever of the Boring Company again. I think it still exists. I don't know how well it does or what it does now, but. Yeah, yeah, I know about it.

I wonder, are there chargers down there?

No, they use.

They run out.

They use solar power.

Yeah.

Trying to understand why the car is so empty, but they try to use solar power.

Well, wind energy, you know, it's also shining.

That's also a good one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We were in a cork at the weekend. We were talking this to this guy at this particular part. Of course, there aren't a lot of electric chargers. And this guy that. It was a family reunion type thing, and one of the family members said to Claudia, oh, we were in this place called Clonak Hilti, which is West Cork. It's a lovely spot. But he was saying to Claudia, oh, you don't need to go to the slow network, the slow charger anymore. We have a fast one now. And she thought, brilliant, because we have, the fastest we have, I think is about 150 kilowatts. And we usually stop. It's in a place called Cashville, and you can charge up in about 20 minutes. It's brilliant. So Claudo was like, oh, are we going to. This is great. We have 150 kilowatt or 120 or whatever it is. So we eventually found it. She eventually found it, plugged the car in and it's a 50, 50 kilowatts.

Okay.

The guy who said it to her was like, oh, we've got a fast supercharger.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, no, you don't.

But how is your car, by the way? Because you had a breakdown with the car, wasn't it, a while ago?

Yeah, the, the whole Goggins, the brain of it. Yeah. Just had a bit of a meltdown. So it seems to be working okay now. Yeah, it's been fixed. One, the little flap key, one of the little flaps in the front keeps opening and he keeps getting these, you know, engine or, you know, battery error messages or something. And please put the car in now. It hasn't gone on fire yet, so.

On fire. Oh, no, that's good.

That's good. That's. That's Oren's definition of the car still.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

If it's not on fire, it's fine. I would leave car maintenance to Cloda, maybe.

Even kitchen work, because how is your kitchen skills? How are your kitchen skills? Cooking skills, by the way?

They're fantastic. If I could get into the kitchen, I mean, that wall I, that brick wall I built was brilliant. You know the brick wall you built? Yeah.

I was speaking.

Somebody chipping away, like the guy. And what's with that film, Shawshank Redemption?

Some food.

Yeah.

Brick wall with the cloth assessed hole in it and now he's explaining that he can't get it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, if only I could get in that.

Show you how good I am. Yeah. If only I could.

No, but seriously, you did not make any progress yet, Mr. Oren in the kitchen.

Yeah, well, I, I, we had this.

Nice episode with the blind kitchen. Yeah.

I almost cooked a pizza the other day.

Okay, okay, okay.

By that I mean I took it out of the oven when it was finished.

Was it black? Was it black or.

No, but I did manage to cut the little wire thing that it was sitting on, because I didn't realize I didn't put it on the plate. So I got the pizza cutter and started, you know, these kind of. These kind of mesh pizza. You know, they put the pizza right on. On it, you know, and then put it in the oven and cook. So I took it out when it was finished, and. And then I started cutting it with the pizza slicer. And then I put the pizza onto my plate, and that was fine. And then I lifted up the. The. The whatchamacallit, the mesh thing the pizza was sitting on.

Yeah.

Suddenly realized there was a shelter hole in the thing.

Oh, my God. You are really a genius in the kitchen. Yeah.

That's nothing like, you know, living alone to learn.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I could order food every day and, you know, get cholesterol because it's all I can get is pizza and hamburger.

All right, we're moving up. We're gonna move on from me, so. Because you're beating that out, you're beating on me now. I want to hear. I want to hear about paintballing.

Okay.

Yeah, I want to hear about that. How on earth does paintballing work? Because you were.

Exactly.

Was it a couple of weeks ago or a week ago?

Yeah, it was a week ago. It was for. For a bachelor party. And, I mean, I didn't know what to expect when going in there because, you know, you're blind. I mean, what are you going to do? And some fields that they have didn't work very well. Like, they had this. This. This fields filled with covers, and then you. You, like, duck behind the COVID and shoot from there.

Okay.

Rest of the field is wide open. And so the moment you stick your head out, you're, like, shot, and it's over. So that doesn't work well for. For us, I don't think, because, you know, you never know when to go and. And how to move. But then there's this other field that was, like, full of trees and big plants and shrubs and all that.

Yeah.

And that's. That's good fun because nobody sees anyone else anyway in there. And so.

So you can crawl around. Etc.

You know, you can crawl around, you can run around, and you can, like, duck and stuff like that. And then whenever you hear a gunshot coming from somewhere, you just shoot that way. I just. I was with. I always was with a guide, a sighted guide, because on your own, I think you're moving too slow to make it work. That doesn't work because sometimes you seriously have to run.

Really? Okay.

Yeah. I mean, you get caught, right when someone is moving your way and they're shooting at you, you have to run and quickly duck behind something. And if you're alone, there's no way you just hit your head or something. I mean, I had my hand on his shoulder and my gun in my other hand. And then when he. Whenever he moved, I just moved with him.

You were covering his back, you know, you were covering his back?

Well, it was funny because I. I was shooting right from beside his head and he wasn't. He wasn't even faced. He was like, this blind guy can shoot right next to me. He's not gonna hit me. Like, you're brave, man.

You're afraid.

And then what kind of guns did you have?

Or was it one time just a basic one? I mean, they did have shotguns and stuff like that, but they thought it was too dangerous to give that to a black guy. So they gave me the normal. I mean, it's a semi automatic, so you can actually spray the whole field. Spray and pray. But I use it as a normal gun and just shoot. And no, it was good fun. I enjoyed it. They told me I did hit some people, so. And I got hit a couple of times.

And it's painful.

And you were wearing them special clothes or protection clothes? Oh, yeah.

No, not really. Well, you wear a protective mask so that you don't get hit in the face.

But a kind of pain to what is splashing over you when.

Yeah, yeah. So you're wearing coveralls.

Oh, coveralls. Okay, okay. Yeah.

And so it doesn't splash your clothes, but. Yeah, but those balls are, you know, they come at you like with 100 kilometers an hour. That's no. Wow, rough being hit by these koi. It can be very painful.

So it's not painful, but painful, you know?

Well, painful, yeah. I was like hit on the chest and I'm like, oof.

Really?

You can feel it?

Oh, wow.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can feel it. Yeah. And like, the closer they are, the more painful it is. And yeah, you know, people don't react. So you're supposed to put up your hands and say, okay, I'm hit, so that they don't shoot anymore. But sometimes people don't realize and they like, shoot three, four more times and you're like, ah, I'm. Calm down, leave me alone.

And do you run out of. Do you run out of paint in the gun? Like, can you reload or.

Yeah, you can reload. So they're like. So they're like these kind of balls that burst apart as you hit someone. Yeah, and, yeah, you put, like a hundred in your gun and then you go.

And that's a lot.

Whenever. Yeah, but you shoot a lot, too. You shoot a lot. So it's not like. Like, because, you know, none of us are snipers, so, you know, you need a lot of balls to hit someone and. Yeah, I mean. And whenever you're out of ammo, you're either out of luck because you can't get out from where you are and you just have to hide, or you go back to the safe zone and you reload and then you go back into the field. It's one of the two.

Okay.

How long were you before you got dead?

It actually, I. I managed quite a long time. Like what one? Once I was one of the last ones left with one of my guides who was pretty good at hiding and, you know, creeping up on people. So we. We were quite successful there. The other time, I was with an aggressive guide, and he just ran forward and we got hit, like, towards the middle of the match.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it depends on your sighted guide, I guess, how well you do, because, you know, it's. It's important to not get hit as well as hitting people. You know, you sometimes have to guess, like, oh, is this gunshot from a teammate? Or. And, you know, your guides can't see either because it's full of trees and shrubs, so. And everyone does. Those coveralls are camouflage color, so you don't see each other very well. So you have to kind of guess a little bit. You have, like, a little ribbon in red or blue, and that tells from which team you are. But if you can't see that ribbon, you're out of luck.

Yeah, that's true.

Randy.

Hello.

Hello? Hello. I'm very late.

Buzzing in. I'm so sorry. That sounds like great fun, though. I think we should have done that for our family reunion.

Oh, yeah, fantastic fun. Like, if you have a sighted guide with you, was willing to stick it out with you, and, you know, and you really do participate, so you do shoot and stuff like that when you hear gunshots and all that, and your sighted guide is willing to give you some directions as to whether you should or shouldn't shoot, because sometimes there's, like, barriers in the way and it doesn't make sense for you to shoot because the only thing that you'll do is, like, betray your spot where you are.

So you need, like, code words.

You do need some code words. If the guide is really willing to play along with you, then it's great fun. If the guide isn't.

And just shoot at 10, for example, you know you can.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shoot at 3, shoot at 10. Or don't shoot yet. We. There's a barrier, stuff like that.

Or you might need a. Like a physical. Like a. Like a hand. Not a hand signal, but like a. Like a squeeze on the elbow means no, or. Do you know what I mean?

No.

It's typically loud enough in there that really.

Okay.

Just your. A whisper. A whisper thing won't really.

And does your sighted guide have part two? Does your sighted guide have a gun as well?

Yeah, of course. He needs to protect himself because he's.

Going to get shot against me.

Mostly.

Amazing. It really does. The problem is I could see myself just collapsing into a fit of giggles and not being able to run at all. I think that's what would happen me, you know.

I mean, you'd only have to be hit once, Claudine. You'd never want that again. So the giggles would go.

Okay, that would.

That would solve the giggles pretty quickly.

Okay, that would solve the giggles. There you go. I mean, it's. It's. Yeah, you feel it when you get hit, especially from like, not too far away.

Okay.

Yeah, but it sounds really fun.

Really good.

It is fun.

A blind guys chat event.

Yeah, we can do the blind guys chat. Paintball, whatever.

Paintball event.

Yeah.

And I wonder how many sighted guides have they got?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, they don't have any. I mean, my family member.

Your. Your little brother was not there.

He was there. But unfortunately he had some eye troubles and so he thought it was not a good idea to go, but he was there.

Okay.

Otherwise it would have been both of us in there.

Yeah. You could shoot at each other.

Yeah, that would be great.

Yeah.

Walking to each other, missing.

I have a feeling you would have loved to have had a paintball semi automatic weapon.

Yeah.

At my family.

Oh, yeah. Was it so boring. Was it so boring if we make.

A point of me chatting too much?

Oh, chatting.

Oren was. Yeah. He wasn't. He wasn't loving it, I don't think.

But anyway, it wasn't. Yeah, it was a lot of. A lot of like 150 people or thereabouts in one room, you know?

Yeah.

And I'm. I'm just curious, right? Do you have trouble, like, with like, big crowds of people?

Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, as I Kind of, Kind of a sensory overload. I just can't. I can't deal with noise. Yeah. I just can't. Yeah, it's just too many. Like, we were, we were on. On. Yeah, yeah. On Sunday, we were, we went into this. Part of the food was in a kind of a marquee on this, on this farm. And, like, you've got. So the marquee was quite small, but I went in and I was just like, immediately just a wall of sound. And, you know, I just couldn't concentrate. I couldn't figure out where people were. I couldn't, I couldn't hear people that were trying to talk to you, just beside you. And I've just. I, I can't deal with that with.

You kind of clocked out at that point.

Yeah. And I just. I, I, Actually what I did was, I, I, we, we. We had something to eat and then Claudia brought me out. Okay. And it was a lovely day, so I didn't. I want, I wanted to be out, but it was like there was just. There were people out and about, but it was like they were in twos or threes, just chatting. Okay. And it was much more peaceful, you know, I just couldn't. I just. I don't know. Can you. Do you guys have that problem?

A little bit, but not as bad as you. I don't think I can. I can handle myself in, like, crowded places just fine, provided I'm with someone. If I'm not with someone, it depends on the level of crowd. So we at csun, we had this vispero party and there, there's no way.

There was too much.

Hundreds of people there and the noise was just insane and I couldn't find my way anywhere. But I was on my own. Like, if I were with someone, I would have been able to focus on what they were saying. And then, of course, I met colleagues and then, you know, we started talking and. But once I'm with someone, it's totally fine. If I'm not with someone, then there is this cutoff point where it just gets too difficult to find anything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And this was. I mean, they said it was 150. I reckon it was more than 150 people. I reckon at that, that last bit, that party bit on Sunday afternoon, yesterday afternoon, I think it was. I reckon it was at least 175 or so.

That's a lot of people.

It's a lot of cousins, isn't it?

175 cousins.

Well, they're not first. They're not all first cousins, but some are second cousins and third cousins. And there were 25 people came from the States and it was. Yeah, it was mad.

Wow.

It was great fun.

The.

Yeah, I thought it was great fun or.

No, I can understand. Also, it's sometimes not easy to find your way, you know, when you're on your own. That is not. And also with the guide dog, it is too crowded, you know.

Yeah, he didn't like it either, actually.

No, no, no, no, no. Sometimes also at the trade show, you know, that's sometimes also not so easy to find your way or to. Then you just go with the flow, you know, Then you bump into.

I thought you were really good, though. Not this year, but last year at Psych. Site Village. Site Village in London, in. In Kensington or whatever it was. Oh, yeah. And you were. You were rocking around the place by yourself. I thought.

I thought when we went to Site Village a couple of years ago where we met up with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The morning was absolutely fine because we came in fairly early and. Yeah, there was hardly anybody there and we started recording some interviews and that was lovely.

Yeah.

And then mid morning, and particularly as we got to. We got to lunchtime. I remember we. I think we. I think we all went down to.

Yeah. To lunch in this basement. Yeah.

And then when we came back up, there was just this. What I just termed this wall of sound.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I just couldn't.

It was pretty.

I couldn't really cope with that. And. Yeah, but it's good to know that it's not.

It's.

It's not all of us that you guys can. Can deal with that. But I just.

And it was just.

It was instant. You know, it kind of went from, oh, this could be nice because it's a nice calm atmosphere. But. But then when we came out of that restaurant, it was just this. Oh, this just noise. Just wouldn't. Just noise. Noise.

No, no.

What was amazing, though is like, because we'd recorded for the podcast and it actually sounded great. Like those microphones we used were brilliant. Sorry, nigga, for getting off topic, but they really sounded well, like you could get a sense of the atmospher. They weren't too loud. You weren't fighting kind of to be right.

But Mo was absolutely right. Like if you're. If you're. If I found that if. Because Clauda, at one point she was. I was maybe recording an interview and Claudia would go away to the next.

Stand, I'd line up the next person.

But when she was gone, or, you know, if I had finished the recording, it was like, where's Claudia gone?

You just had to stay there until, like.

Because that feeling, though, was just like, now I'm on my own. Like, I don't know whether if I. If I turn left, if I turn right, if I go back, if I.

And if he wandered off, I wouldn't be able to find him. Well, I probably would have, but, you know.

No, but that is sometimes, you know, quite awkward.

But.

But everyone has that feeling, Oren, you know, but they. People are so not embarrassed anymore. You know, they just walk into each other and they. Oh, is this. This and this? Or is this side?

Yeah. I mean, to be honest, that's how.

How I am.

Yeah, exactly. Me too. Everyone is.

At some point, I'm like, you know. You know, I need to do something. So.

Yeah, whatever.

Just get over it.

There you go with your glide, you know, with your glide. You know.

That'Ll be funny with the glide.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like you to. I'd like to. To. For somebody to. To record you. To record the video of you going through the train station where. With the witcher glide where the old woman or the woman is on track.

Yeah.

It's nine. Three.

Four even. You know, with my. Even with my cane, I think.

Yeah. Embarrassing.

I am. I will tell you. I'm insane. I walk fast.

Yeah.

And I. I have to sometimes really slow down when I hear people coming my way because I'm like, I'm going to kill these people.

How many times did you break a cane, Mo, by the way?

No, there's actually only once, because I do actually, when I hear people, I slow down.

Okay.

But there was this one time. Okay. This was. So. This was in the Amsterdam Metro.

Yeah.

And I was working in Amsterdam at the time. So I came out of the metro in Amsterdam Central Station.

Yeah.

I wanted to walk up to the. To where the buses are, so I could take the bus home. Yeah. And so here I am walking around, and I wasn't even walking that fast. And actually I was still able to see a little bit back then. And this guy or girl, I don't know who it was, but they fell over my cave.

Oh, no.

And they just walked on. I'm like, are you all right? And there was no answer. I'm like, oh, you're all right. And there was no answer. I'm like, oh, my God. Okay, that person is gone now.

They don't care if you're all right.

I went to. No, they were probably so embarrassed. They were like, oh. And so I. I just. You know, I started moving my cane. I'm like, this is not quite right. And so I felt along it, and it became a banana.

Oh, it got.

Oh, no.

Completely bent. And this was so funny. So I'm like, well, I got the gutter. Get home. I don't have a second cane with me. So this what it is. It was really awkward to use, but I had to. So I used it. And I went up. I went up the escalator to the. To the ground floor. Yeah. And I was. I went outside and there was this lady shouting on the square. She was like, shouting, you have all forsaken Jesus.

Oh, my God.

You should follow Jesus.

Okay.

And. And then she noticed me. She's like, that guy's cane is bad. You should all follow Jesus. I'm like, oh, my God.

Spotted on the job.

You know, Spotted on the job.

No, I had it once and I went on a holiday trip to Poland. It was in the. In the 90s. And then I went up with a friend, and then I used. In the. In the. In the hiking, in the. In the. In the bush. I used my cane, actually as a real walking stick, but it was not good enough, so it broke. So, you know, that is easy because a cane is not really that stiff or that strong that you can really hold yourself. So, you know, in the bush, it was not a problem because you take a big branch out of the. Out of the. Yeah, some from somewhere, you know, and you can walk, you know, that is no problem. But I was supposed to go on my own back from Poland by train, back to Appledoren, back again. So then I was walking there with a broken cane, and I had also a long branch with me, you know, to help me to identify a little bit. So that was quite funny when I was walking through the. From. From Krakow to Berlin Zoo, and then to head a. To head. To go to the next train. From a night train to the train from. From Berlin to Appledoren. Now, it was quite funny. I. Many people walking up to me. What is happening to you, you guys? You know, I was walking with a branch. Tree, and it was really fun.

Wow.

In fairness, Jan, I think at least the branch. Well, I would consider the branch to be a step up from the broom.

Oh, yeah, the broom.

When you were camping.

Oh, my gosh, you've had so many adventures.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or misadventures, maybe.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but. But. But I agree with Mo. Yeah, exactly. And that is how how it works out. You know, you. You need to just go with the flow and then. And then you always meet people, and it's fun, you know, to. To travel around. It's really good.

Yeah. Hey, guys.

Yeah.

What are you supposed to talk about on this podcast so far? You've just been shooting the breeze.

We have been. We've been talking about.

That's our topic for this.

He likes.

Yeah.

Outside school or something. You're very.

Well, we are young still, you know.

I am young.

Oh, yes.

Slightly older, gentlemen.

But we will nail him down.

All right.

We will. You know you will. You know you will stretch him out.

Oh, come on.

You have to find me first.

Okay. Oh, yeah.

I'll give you a little bit of TV tip, you guys. You guys should watch on Apple TV if you have it. We just started.

No, I don't have.

Is Ewan McGregor, the actor Ewan McGregor and his friend Charlie Borman, who is the son of John Borman, who's a pretty famous director. And they are doing this. They've been. They've done this four times. Trip. Four times. The long. It's called the Long Way Round or the Long Way up or whatever. But I think this one is called.

The Long Way Home.

Home.

Okay.

Basically, they go on bikes and they've done. They've gone the long road. They've gone around the world. In one series, they went down, basically, the spine of Africa, I think. In another, then they went up from Argentina up to Los. Los Angeles on electric bikes. But this time they're going from Ewan McGregor's house, which is in Scotland, and they took the ferry from Newcastle and got off at Amsterdam, and they've been going through the Netherlands.

Is it Amsterdam or is it Hoek van Holland? Because I think the ferry to Newcastle goes from Rotterdam, actually.

Well, I think they said the port of Amsterdam, but I'm not sure. You know, you wouldn't know how accurate these things are.

I mean, it's so funny, right? Because they call everything Amsterdam if you're not from the Netherlands. Amsterdam.

The graphic said the port of Amsterdam, but I have no idea. I guess you guys might have a better idea.

That could be a good clue. Mo.

I. I don't. I don't know if a ferry from Newcastle that goes to the port Amsterdam, but it goes to Hook van Holland, which is what? Which is. It's not Rotterdam, but it's Rotterdam. It's.

Yeah, yeah.

It's closer. Yeah.

Well, there you go. They're lying.

Yeah.

They're obviously cheating because they. They they continue like they're in Amsterdam. Definitely in Amsterdam. And they're getting this. Oh, the herring. They're getting the smoked. Is it the smoked herring?

No, it's raw kind of pickled kind of business.

Yeah.

Or like brined or something.

And they are also in other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You like them?

I love them.

What's the texture like?

They're a little slimy, but hard. They're very good.

That does. That does not make me want to go out and taste them.

When I thought of it, I'm like. I'm like. It feels a little bit Clauda. Like salmon fillet that has not been cooked yet.

Okay. That.

That's what it feels like.

I wouldn't necessarily want to eat that, though.

And you think that tastes nice?

No, but it's really good. It's so.

I don't like it. And do you like it? Onions.

Onions, yes. And onions or pickles again?

Pickles. Gherkins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those. Those are very good.

I mean, I do like pickles and gherkins. I do. But I don't know. I don't know. My brother used to live in Sweden for a few years, and for Chris, I think it was. I can't remember, was it New York, Christmas Eve or Christmas Day? They used to have raw pickled fish, and this was the big delicacy. And they were all very excited about it. And Sean was like, oh, yeah, okay. He was. He would, you know, he would eat anything. And he said it was the most vile thing he's ever put in his mouth.

I think. I think the Scandinavian version is slightly worse because they. They actually fermented.

Yeah. It's stinky.

Yeah.

And kind of fizzy.

Yeah, The Dutch is better. That is.

It's not fermented, so that's. It's. It's better in that sense. But it's definitely. I think it's an acquired taste. I. I just like it. It's very good.

Chantal loves it as well. Rosalie also. But Tiju and me, we are a little bit. No, no.

Chantal and Rosalie knows. Know what good it.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. They have a good taste, you know.

Listen to the ladies. Y.

Exactly. Exactly.

We do a thing called smoked salmon, which is.

That's also nice.

Oh, we have that, too. That's delicious. That's absolutely.

That's very good. Yeah, yeah.

And that texture isn't unpleasant, I don't think.

Hey, that's true. That's true. And, you know, then. Smoked paling eel. Smoked eel. You Know that one?

Yeah. Also good.

Oh, yeah, that's nice. Eel. That's also nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And mackerel. Smoked mackerel, yo.

Yes.

Mackerel here. In fairness. Yeah.

The other thing they were doing was they. And I can't remember the name of the town. Well, I couldn't probably pronounce it anyway, but basically it's a pole in the middle of a river or a lake. And you climb this pole and the pole, it's there. It's your form of pole vaulting. So you climb to the. I think you climb to the top of the pole and then the pole turns over and you've got to jump onto the other side.

That is frischen. That's frischen.

Yeah, it's frischen.

Oh, is it?

It's where you're from.

Okay. Yeah, it's in the north of the Netherlands.

And they. So basically they leap onto this pole and then as it's moving through the air, they have to climb up it really quickly and it's. It's. It fall. It's slowly fall.

It's also bending a little bit. You know, it has some bending and.

They have to grip on and it's really high up. And then they. And then they have to throw themselves down onto the side as far as they can. Crazy.

And how do you know about that?

That was in this program.

I was in this program. Kai.

This thing. It's Ewan McGregor. You know, he was in. What was he in Star Wars? Trek.

He's in Star Wars. No.

You're a sci fi fan Cloth.

I. I only. I only say that to a. Nor to annoy Oren, because he. He's very upset about those things.

We call it also Paul. Stock horse spring. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Bull stock hole. No, no, no, no, no.

That's bull stock.

I don't think I've ever heard Yan so excited.

We're talking about his home province.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Hey, by the way, guys, but what is the weather in Ireland? Because we are sweating here. Hot. Oh, my God.

It was like 26 degrees yesterday and really kind of humid and heavy.

Tomorrow it's 34 over here.

44 in parts of Spain.

30, 34. 30.

No, I know, but what I'm saying is In Spain it's 44.

Which is Spain. Yeah.

Or Spain. Yeah. I would not be able to, like, I think for us right now it's the humidity. I think we had, what, 93% humidity.

Yeah, yeah, same here. It's. It's very humid.

It's rough.

It was like, you could see the mist in the air yesterday. It was really weird. Like, the visibility wasn't great because there was just steam rising from the ground. It was really, really strange. Yeah.

Chef retreating to the. Is it the upstairs bathroom? Yon.

Oh, yeah.

With the tile floor. You know, he likes that. It's the coolest place. But. But he's doing quite well. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you say that from 8 they're officially allowed to retire?

Yeah. And he is always now, these. These comments to me.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Any day now. Any day now.

When is my success exactly? Oh, my God.

My bones are.

Oh, my God. You know. Oh, my God. Gets up off the floor complaining about everything. About food. Yeah. And also I need some rest, guys.

You know, I don't know either.

Yeah, they do.

I think they do have.

Do they have knees, but they don't bend like ours? They bend the other way. I. Do they?

No, they really went the other way. Yes, I think that's right.

We're talking about doggy knees. If anyone knows about doggy anatomy, let us know. Do dogs have knees? Because they don't. They don't look like human legs. They get. They bend like they're.

They bend. I remember from back when I could see.

Anyway, poor Larry has a zombie toes back again.

Oh.

We had to bring him to the vet on Saturday in clonak.

Okay.

55 quid.

So he's got an infection in his nail beds back.

Yeah, no, it's not in all of them.

But he did not like the. The vet because the vet was old school.

Yeah. He was a proper country vet. So he'd be dealing with cattle and.

You know, so no mercy guy. No.

It was like he was given his. His little toes a good squeeze, you know.

Yeah.

And poor Larry was like, ow.

I'm from town. You know, Take it easy.

Yokosi.

Yeah, yeah.

So that. Yeah. And Larry was hiding behind Orin's legs. It was very funny.

It was like.

No, I don't like it. Yeah. So he's back on. He's back on his antibiotics and.

Okay.

We're doing salt baths and all sorts of things.

What do you think of Meta Oakley?

Yeah.

Glasses.

Oh, yeah.

Partnership.

Partnership or something.

Well, it's not yet released. It will be, but. But it's a little bit the same specs of the MA.

Package.

Yeah. And with a improved power, battery life and a better camera, what it should be having and twice the price. Exactly.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Well, it's it's 490€59 or something.

Okay, that's a bit much just for.

And I'm still mad now with Meta because they dumped me again, you know, so I'm off Meta.

Yeah, you don't know what did you do to them?

But nothing to do to upset.

Did they hear you were looking at the Oakley ones though? Girls don't like that.

It was already gone before that. It was gone before that already.

It's interesting, right, because I think in September we're gonna hear some more software updates. There'll be a big Meta conference.

Oh yeah.

What do you call it now?

Ah, like they have like Meta Connect.

I think and our randomers allowed to go to that or is it just for developers?

It's probably just for developers and probably randomers will just have to watch the.

Internet like also the Google one, etc, you know.

Yeah, Google IO, Apple, wwdc, Microsoft.

All right, I get you. So now matter around the game.

Meta is also.

You're a developer. Mo, you could go.

Go.

Yeah, you could go.

I, I could, I could maybe I could see if Vispero wants to pay for me going.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, go see about that.

Go into the show, report back to us.

Yeah, yeah, for free.

Maybe, maybe, maybe. Hector.

Blind guys, you love Hector.

Hector, we need to talk to big fat contract.

Yeah, see this is. Some people may not know who Hector is. We, we had a HR director called Hector here in Blind guys. Well, we don't ever because you and I are hiding. Yeah, you and I don't have contracts. You see, we're, we're just, we're just volunteers. Yeah, we're just like, you know, the unpaid help basically.

Is Stuart still the only one then with a contract or.

No, no, no. Mo has Stuart now. Juicy contracts.

Yeah, I, I, I took Stuart's contract and my own name on it and I saw Hector. I, I learned how to paintball. You better sign this.

Yeah, I can hurt you.

I know where to find you in this whirlpool.

You know, I'll shoot right beside your ear.

So I don't think we've, we're going to wrap up but I, I don't think we have any emails here.

We don't, no, no, I think everyone's on holidays.

A week of rest is fine. Well, we hope you've enjoyed the banter and just so this is a summer edition, you know. Yeah, we're saying au revoir. And don't forget the blind guys chat. Gmail.com is the, is the email address. And please do send us.

Yeah, because I'm very lonely.

Oh, it's very, very lonely.

She has us to talk to him and 150 cousins.

Okay, see you.

Okay. Bye. Bye. Take care. Bye.

Bye.

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