#157: Zweinstein

Welcome to Blind Guy's Chat, where Oren O'Neill—

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Jan Bloem—

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And Mohammed Lashir—

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Talk about the A to Z of life.

Well, hello, ladies and gentlemen, and you're very welcome to episode 157 of Blind Guys Chat. Now, have no fear.

No,

Yana's here.

Yeah,

Claude is here. Hello. Well, one of our party missing in action is missing in action.

Yeah, party popper, eh?

He's on holidays. He's allowed to have—

he's on holidays.

Yeah, this year.

Yeah, I don't know.

I can tell you, do you know how many holidays you, Orin, and I have had? This year, none.

Like my weighing scales, zero.

Zero. Oh, but what? And you know, my grandmother said always, you know, what you are not spending, then that, you know, you will save that, you know.

Yeah, I think it is something.

Nothing scheduled yet for meeting up Santa Claus perhaps in Lapland?

I'd love that so much, but Orin won't go because the it might be snow and he doesn't like snow.

No, I don't like the cold.

Yeah, whereas I love the cold.

You know, but then you buy yourself a good, nice coat, you know, warm,

cold

pair of gloves, nice hat,

scarf, off you go. Electric, electric.

There's no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes, right?

Saturday we had a match again with Ado and it was storm, rain and wind and it was, well, at 9 PM.

Austin. Storm Austin was passing. Yeah, yeah.

Storm Austin was passing through. Oh yo yo yo yo. So but just on on in daytime on Saturday, Chantal and me we went to because my coat was not so good anymore. So I really bought an ah so and I did not have it any cold, you know. Okay, pretty well. Yeah, yeah. I think so. It was yeah. The match was we lost, but no yeah. But you were nice and warm.

But you had a nice time.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And also last week, the day before, we had a scoop because, or scoop, we had a really nice thing, guys, because we won from PSV Eindhoven, number 2 in the league and the previous champion of the league, you know.

Even I've heard of them.

Oh yeah.

And I know nothing about football.

Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay. But yeah, we could not continue it. We could not continue it. We lost 2-3 yesterday or on On Saturday, but ah yeah, but it was good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Eindhoven, so that's good.

Ja, dat was een dikke tune. Ja, ja, ja. So, so, so we, we, we had to draw against number one already, you know, because Feyenoord is now leading the, the league and we played two-two. We were even two-nil ahead of them. So yeah, but guys, how are you guys? Because yeah, how is the weather in Ireland also? Did you have troubles, Austin?

Yeah, wet and windy, but it's actually, it was 16 degrees and sunny here today, although it was also a little bit wet.

Yeah, today was not too cold.

Yeah, not bad at all. 17 actually at one point.

Yeah,

so it was nice, it was nice, but it's still quite windy, so it doesn't feel like it's 17 because the wind is quite strong still. But no, not raining.

No, and we had also for a while the eastern wind, so that was quite Cold.

Oh, cold coming in cold.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now the the from the west we had also a lot of rain, you know. So that is ah, ah yeah.

Walking with the dogs. Yeah, we had lots of flooding and power power cuts and things like that. We were unaffected, but other people. How many houses, Soren, lost their power?

Oh really?

It wasn't. I don't think it was huge this time. I think the first time around it was around three thousand. Uh, people, uh, in the west, kind of southwest, lost power. I don't know what it is at the moment. I think most of the power has been restored. Yeah, it was, it was warned well in advance, but it kind of— the second storm that's kind of just passing through now, who I can't— that I can't pronounce its name correctly, I think it's a little bit more powerful in terms of wind. And, uh, the first one, which is Storm Austin,

yeah,

certainly for, for the East Coast, wasn't— it was a bit of a damp squib, as we'd say here. It wasn't, you know, there was a bit— there was a bit of scaremongering, you know, about how bad this, this was going to be. And yeah, it turned out that it kind of came and went fairly easily. Yeah, yeah.

And is the government, uh, uh, getting any lessons, drawing any lessons out of it?

They issued a, you know, how to be prepared for emergencies leaflet and sent it to every household. Yeah, every household in—

And what was in the leaflet then? I can't tell you. Keep dry socks, you know, have dry socks.

We didn't, we didn't get a copy.

Well, I'll tell you what's in the leaflet because it's a general leaflet. Now, this happened some years ago and everybody, every household, this is how seriously we were taking this. We were given iodine tablets.

This is years ago.

This is years ago. 30 years ago or something. 30 years ago. So they've now done a new leaflet, and it's just a leaflet. And one of the— well, 2 of the things that are proposed is that you, A, have a wind-up torch.

Oh.

And that you also have a wind-up radio. Have a torch that can work on batteries.

And 3 liters of water per person per day for— is it 2 weeks or 3 weeks? I can't remember. And that should be, you know,

you should be all right.

And special food also.

I mean, I'm assuming like, I don't know, tinned food or something.

Tinned food.

But like, how are you gonna cook it if you don't have power and you don't have gas? Like, we have gas, but I don't know if— anyway, I don't know. It's, it's, it's, you know, drama but not drama. And you see, in our country, we tend to kind of look at these things that the government do and laugh and think they're all a bunch of idiots and ignore it.

Yeah, okay.

But like, yeah, apparently a good few European countries, EU countries, have done this. So I don't know what they know that we don't know, but it makes me wonder.

It's ticking a box, that's what it is.

I don't think so, because I don't think they've— they haven't done this since, what, the '90s or something?

Yeah, but that's okay. It's ticking a box. They're saying, you know, oh yeah, for 30 years, you know, are we going to give people iodine tablets? No, let's, let's just give them a leaflet.

One iodine tablet, so one person in the house could survive. Oh yeah, yeah. And they were they were just firing in the air.

And then you can go to the shop yourself. You know, one is having the tablet and the other one goes to the shop.

Let's not talk about doom and doom. Let's talk about Harry Potter.

Oh yeah,

yeah. You've gone to see Harry.

Yeah, Harry has a has a want for it, I think. You know, or or an expression. Expelliarmus or or the for the Patronus. Nei, Patronus.

Patronus. Patronus. Patronus. Patronus. Yeah, Patronus. Yeah.

So this was local to you in the Netherlands?

In Den Haag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think it is now also in London. It is the story after 19 years after that Harry left school, Swainstein.

Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, is that it?

Yeah, yeah. Well, he has 3 children together with Ginny, you know, the sister of

Ron.

And then Ron and Hermeline has also children. And so 19 years later, the children of Harry and Ron, they now are going for the first time to Schweinstein. So you see them.

What we called Hogwarts. Yeah.

Yeah, Hogwarts. Yeah, sorry, Hogwarts. Yeah. Yeah, that's in Dutch, Schweinstein. Oh, okay. Yeah, sorry, Hogwarts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Schweinstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nou ja, hey, dat is een goed reminder. Thanks, Hogwarts. Oké. En dan, dan, zo, zo, you see them at the, at the railway station, King's Cross, at platform nine three quarters. Yes. And then they, you, you see, he, he renamed his first son, Harry, to Albus Percamentus.

Yes.

And, and also to Snape, you know. So, so it is.

Which is interesting because he hated him. For so long, but he finally worked out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was a goodie after all.

Exactly, exactly. And then also, so they went up in the train, etc. And then, you know, you have this the the the how do you say that in English? The the head who's choosing, you know. The sorting hat. Yeah, yeah, the sorting hat. Yeah. And then, well, guess, you know, I think I know this is not a spoiler or whatever, but but Albus Per Albus is is for Swadrig.

Slytherin. Slytherin.

Slytherin House.

Slytherin. Ah, Slytherin. Yeah, Slytherin. And then Gryffindor, you know, so the other from Ron and Hermeline, she went to Gryffindor. But also he met the son of Draco Malvides, and that is the name Scribbulus. And that is such a nice fellow, you know, the total opposite of Draco. And also Albus is also the total opposite of Harry. He is not so clever. He is a little bit stupid, and he hates his father because his father was the big, big guy, and he yeah, and they expect everything from him as well. You know, so so he is totally opposite. So so I won't tell much. You know, but but Drago and no Albus and Scrope Scripulos they are come they become best mates, and now and they are going to to to to try to do something. In the history, so they will turn the time back, and then will oh so everything is going and oh my God! It is the the the the musical is is not like we know a musical with a lot of singing and dancing because they don't sing anything. You know, it is completely but it's supposed to be a musical

though.

Yeah,

but but so I don't know why. I don't know why that is only dancing, but but but also not so much because Rosalie well our dance star. Star, of course, in the family. Yes. Yeah, she's a yeah, she's a profe in that way. But she said, ah, it was very stupid. It was not at all fancy dancing. But the play was excellent because it had audio description. So I was really happy with that. And you know, it was listening. So I was just like you listen to a book, you know. Oh, it was such funny. And and and and so you. Yeah, you it it helps if you have pre-knowledge of all the books, you know, because then because they they have some fallbacks, etc., etc. So they so you so that really helps. But then also the the dementors they came on stage and they even fly over the audience and oh la la, you know. So ah, it was quite scary sometimes, but and also a lot of tricks and a lot of you know. So it was very nice and it was very. Yeah, especially, but it took very long, 3 hours and 15 minutes.

Wow.

That's a long time for kids, isn't

it? Yeah, and for us as well, for Chantal and me. But I was one ear, you know, I was so into the book, so into the play, so it flew over, you know. I was, you know, yeah, really good. Very emotional as well. It has a good message. It has really, yeah. So it was a nice experience, I must say. Yeah. And it runs now also like in like in London, and also Matilda is there. Paddington is there. Yeah. Even also what is this? The Phantom of the Opera. Les Misérables. That's also.

That's right. Hamilton. That's Hamilton is amazing.

Hamilton. Oh, Hamilton.

Where do we? We saw Hamilton in New York years ago,

and it was in New York. Oh, it wasn't.

It was in London, wasn't it?

London. Yeah.

I thought we saw it in

New York. But you went to New York, ladies and gentlemen. This years ago.

Oh, we were in twenty. Oh yeah.

Oh,

it was the Book of Mormon we saw in New York. That's right. Hamilton we saw in London. It's brilliant. It's absolutely fantastic.

Yeah.

Um, but it's very fast. It's very fast and kind of hard to follow a little bit, maybe. So,

okay. But is it common? How, how do you do, um, audio description in, in the London theaters? Is that because here it was with EarCatch, so I was listening in with my iPhone having earbuds or an earphone. And then so you log on to the internal Wi-Fi, theater Wi-Fi. And then, yeah, so it was prerecorded, but so well done. It was also how we do it on listening to, or yeah, listening, watching television or cinema.

Right, okay.

I'm not sure how it's done in London because we, when we saw the last time we were there, it was Hamilton we saw and there wasn't an audio-described version of it available, but they were making an audio description track. They were recording it, but it wasn't available at the time that we saw it. So I do not know, actually. I'll have to— I think in most cases, and I might be wrong, but in most cases, I believe the audio description is actually live.

Live, yeah.

Live, so you need— so there is a person inside Yeah, that's doing the— yeah, yeah. Okay.

No, I know Vocalize do, uh, do a lot of the audio description for the—

and actually they have a really good listing. So V-O-C-A-L-E-Y-E-S, and they have a WhatsApp.

Can you repeat it again, uh, Claudia? Because I was not noting it down.

Sure, it's V-O-C-A-L-E-Y-E-S, Vocalize. I'll put it in the, the show notes. Yeah. So they have all regions of the UK, including Northern Ireland. And you can look for, let's say, musical in London and actually of Ireland as well. And you can say you're going in December and find events and it will give you a list of, so there's, um, Ebony Screws.

So you're doing it right now, I think. Yeah,

I am. Yeah.

Yeah.

So like 5th of December, 6th of December, 15th, 19th. Yeah,

we're going 23rd, 23rd to 25th. So 23rd would be nice.

Yeah. So no, I'm afraid they don't have anything. The latest one they have is the 19th of September. Well, that's musical. They might— September, perhaps. Oh, sorry. December, 19th of December.

Okay. Okay.

I would imagine most would they close down for—

yeah.

Um, those—

I'd say also live AD over Christmas.

Yeah. Because we are at first Christmas Day or the 25th in London, but then there is no public transport. What I learned.

Nothing is out. Yeah. Nothing

works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I've just said, I've just changed it to any, any event, and they have, it goes to the, the 20th of December, and then there's a big jump to the 30th of December. So there's nothing while you're there.

Oh, no. So sorry. No.

Now that said, your catch might work. I don't know. I've, I've never tried it.

No. But, but you need to have that. You know, that is organized. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's because you you have never heard about ear catch, I think. Oh, I've heard.

I think we've talked about it before.

We've never actually.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is that what you were using for theater and for TV? Yeah, television as well.

Yeah, correct, correct. I'm now even watching an an on Videoland, you know, a streaming service here, a documentary about Marco van Basten. You know the the football player, oh yeah yeah, football player who was playing for Inter Milan and etc. No no AC Milan sorry not Inter AC Milan with Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard in the in the nineties it was late eighties and nineties. But but perhaps you have the the the app also Earcatch in your Play Play Store.

I have the yes well I have anyway oh oh you have my phone but I've never Never been able to use it because we don't use it here in Ireland.

Oh, okay. So you have no episodes or because you have 2 options. You can do it for theater or cinema or 3, cinema, theater, and home.

And Jan, just as we digress into this, if when you are listening to EarCatch with your audio description, are you also hearing the main program audio mixed in with the audio description or is it just the audio?

No, that is separate. That's only the audio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I need to have one ear open. One ear open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in both worlds in a way, or in 2 worlds, one of the audio description.

I don't know if I was telling you, but I saw a demonstration at an event I was in for the European Broadcasting Union in Geneva. And there was a television, there was a station there called 3CAT. Catalonia, and the guys there demonstrated audio description, their app that they're developing, which will work on smart glasses. So I heard it through a pair of Meta glasses, and it was really good. So you could, but you were hearing the whole thing. So you were hearing the audio.

But is that not confusing your neighbors then? Or because I am using wired earbuds, you know, the traditional ones, the kit Kids are laughing at me, you know. Why it was? You know. Okay, okay. But but you know it costs no battery, and and I think you know you have no leaking of of audio in a way.

Yeah, yeah.

Especially on the Meta.

Yeah. That is when how the volume how high the volume is. But I suppose they're looking at.

No, but sometimes you need to have high volume because also with Harry Potter, the the sound effects and and the music was so loud.

Loud.

I also had to do quite loud, you know. Otherwise. Otherwise you could not hear the, uh, the audio description.

Yeah, yeah, I could understand. To

be honest, I don't have a problem with AD. I quite enjoy listening to AD anyway, so I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Well, I think the idea here is that, uh, for family viewing, for somebody, for a family where, yeah, one person is blind and it needs the audio description, but yeah, others don't want to listen to it, it's allowing that That to take place in the same room. So one of you is listening with audio description, you're not annoying anybody else by listening to the audio description, and the others are just watching and listening to the main TV set. So

it could be interesting though, because I bet your reactions happen at a slightly different time to sighted people because they're seeing—

No, not in sync. No, no, it's perfect. Oh yeah, no, it's perfectly in sync. I've listened to it and it's really quick to These guys showed me they were able to spool forward in the video that was playing on the television, and like within 2 seconds, the audio description was in sync, was back in sync.

That's impressive.

And also in the theater, it was totally in sync as well. Yeah, I think, well, I don't notice it also if there is sound delay, but I could, yeah, you know, I think it was quite in sync in that way.

Yeah,

and I wasn't. The AD was enjoyable then, obviously. Yeah, and it was well done, well written, and well performed.

Yeah, well performed. Well, yeah, it was not like well, it was well performed in in in in a neutral way, not like in an but but but but very informative and also yeah, well done. I must say it was really yeah yeah yeah.

It shouldn't pull focus from the story.

No, it shouldn't be a thing itself.

No, no, no, no, no. It's just helping you understand what's going on.

Yeah, yeah. And you know what? When I was also missing something when I was entering the theater, I was using my cane, you know. Da da da da da. And so, but nobody have because you are really welcome to also had they tick a box for to get your card, etc. You know, to check the if you're allowed to come in. And then, but they could have said, you know, hey, hey, you're you're blind, visually impaired. Hey, do you know there is audio description? No, not at all. Even when the whole play was started, you know, you are being welcomed with an audio message, you know, that you need to turn off your mobile phone, et cetera. Well, you know, I was sitting there. Perhaps they could have made a note. Hey, yeah, since there is audio description, ladies and gentlemen, yeah, welcome. So the blind and visually impaired, they are allowed To do it, you know, because yeah, you could see otherwise. So they could have made, you know, that is inclusiveness, you know. Yeah, that is really, yeah. Talking about beta and the, is it now working, Mr. Oran?

No, not for me, no. So I'm kind of giving up on it and I'm not gonna worry about it.

Or you should come over to the Netherlands because here it is working still.

Maybe we should move.

Yeah, you're highly welcome to come, you know.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Yeah,

we'll just, you know, we'll sleep in your basement or something. It'll be fine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We can't sleep in his basement really because he has a bit of news, doesn't he?

Tell us your news. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Well, yeah.

Next week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This week or on Friday.

This week.

Yeah. 10 o'clock in the morning. Um, yeah. Chef, chef will have a meet and greet. with his successor, and Chef will be, uh, yeah, ready for his retirement, I would say.

Okay, so you're still working Chef at the moment?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so he retires on Friday?

Yeah, between you and me, he has no need to retire, to be honest. Yeah, he is doing such a good job. But yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Even when I was speaking with the, with the guide dog school, you know, on the phone, About possible that they were having a possible candidate for yeah for me. Then then then chef came, put his head on on my leg and that's oh you know that is so it is like they know it you know and then also you know Fifi our our girlfriend dog yeah yeah yeah the exactly the the the day that that we got this announcement and then yeah we sometimes go out with each other, you know, so they can knock on the door and whatever. So, and then, yeah, they knocked on the door again, and then, well, we— okay, we came, and then Fifi was standing there, and we talked to the, to, to the, to the neighbor. Well, yeah, you know, yeah, we have a possible successor. And then Chef was standing next to me, you know, and a little bit sad, and then he wiggled outside, and then Fifi, he licked— she licked— yeah, so they were so— oh yeah, I love Yeah, exactly.

Oh, so what's your keeping chef as a as a pet dog though, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We will keep chef. Well, the name of the new dog is Dries. D R I E S. Dries. Yeah, Dries. A typical Dutch name.

And another labradoodle or no?

And and and yeah, they say. On paper, it is a crossing between a Benner Sennner and a Poodle. So he's a little bit. Yeah, he's a little bit more tall and a little bit more heavy.

Oh,

okay.

So so

Chef is quite a slight little fellow. He's

yeah, he's quite yeah. He is very tiny or tiny sixty centimeter and and this new dog is a little bit higher.

Okay.

And and also a little bit more heavy. So Chef is 26 and the new dog is 35 or something.

Okay, that's a significant difference.

Yeah, yeah. So, um, and what happens

next? So 10 o'clock, you, everybody—

Yeah, then we will meet outside, you know, on the, on the neutral, uh, place. So outside, and then they will be, yeah, this is Chef, this is Dries. Oh no, they will sniff, I don't know. And then we will have a walk, etc. And then yeah, we will be in the house and then

yeah. Listen, listen. Yeah. Will you be? He knows nothing. You just. Do you want to go upstairs? Go on upstairs.

Teach all the Patrick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you go for your walk, will you be working with Chef or will you be working with Dries?

Yeah, I think it is like cold turkey. What what he? Okay. Well, he suggested you switch completely.

Just press the button and that's it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because otherwise it's cold. It's confusing for the dog as well. Yeah, it's very hard in the beginning because Chef is like a Rolls-Royce and you don't need to say anything. You, uh, yeah, you know each other very well. And then, yeah, you start all over again. I, I'm, I'm quite scared, to be honest, also.

Yeah.

Excited, but also scared because, well, yeah, everything works in a brand new relationship. Is it? You know, it is. So he's also taller, a little bit more heavy, or yeah, you know, Chef was always nice, flexible. You can get him anywhere. Blop, blop, blop. Very neat.

He fit under your chair, no problem.

Yeah, exactly.

Will you actually start official training then on Friday, and how long will the training be for you and Dries?

Yeah, everything is still a little bit undecided. You know, the school, I think what we previously messaged They are very good in in in not communicating. You know, they they don't communicate anything. It is it was a surprise that they called me. I I think you know. Oh really? Yeah. It was just like Harry Potter. You know, an owl that came by.

You're a wizard, John.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're like wow.

So I don't know. So I have an ID. Yeah yeah yeah. So I have an ID, and he said also something that that at least you know we. have now the, um, yeah, introduction weekend that we can, yeah, get used to each other, you know. And, and then it can also happen that, yeah, if Chef and, and, uh, Dries cannot get along or, or we don't have a click or whatever, you know, then, then he can, uh, yeah, leave again also on Monday. No hard feelings, they say, and whatever.

Okay, so it's like a little, a little sleepover trial.

Yeah, yeah, that's a little bit how I understood. And then if everything goes well, and that's what I think, so, you know, 80% or 90%, that will, yeah, into that direction. And then, yeah, I think in the morning, or the training is on-site, so at our house. At your place. And then the trainer will come every, yeah, perhaps every day or in the beginning or every 2 days or I don't know, we'll see.

To learn the routes and all that kind of thing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then it will, uh, yeah. And then I need to, uh, yeah, practice a lot. Yeah.

You know, I still find it quite strange. And remember we were talking to David Woodbridge, uh, a few months ago, and he was saying that the, the guidance, just keep, keep going until you both feel, or the dog kind of says, well, I've had enough. And I think that's kind of amazing, like Wouldn't you want it to be like that? You know, just

let them decide.

Let them decide. Yeah, wouldn't that be good?

Yeah. Mind

you, yeah, but then this also— yeah, but then you need to, uh, have— okay, you can do that, but then, uh, then you can, uh, wait for long in a way. Yeah, this is a little bit, yeah, planned, uh, yeah, uh, yeah, successing in a way. Yeah, because in a way, and what I say, we, uh, to be honest, Jeff does a real good job nowadays, so perhaps he can Continue for a year or whatever. But yeah, but he was also having his neck pain, you know. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, yeah.

For a couple of months. Yeah. So, and then he was looking like an old fellow and he, you know, he could even quit. Now you would not give him a dime to survive for another week, you know.

Oh, the papa.

Yeah. So, so it can go quickly, of course. Yeah, perfectly. Without any medication, so it's really yeah, it's very strange.

Well, we wish you the best on that. I really look forward. Yeah, thanks very much. I love to keep checking in with you now each each time now.

Yeah,

well, yeah, we will keep yeah, we will keep an a flock or whatever, you know. That is well, I'm not entirely not entirely do that, but but what we will can yeah, keep do some recordings when I yeah with the meta glasses.

Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good idea.

And I am also more, more, uh, prepared now in a way, because the first time, you know, you're totally a no-no, and now you actually know a little bit better. Yeah, but, but still, you should not compare, you know. It's a total fresh, uh, new experience.

Compare the dogs, is it?

Yeah, yeah, that's totally gonna be totally different.

Email us on blindguyschat.com. Drop us a line and come along. Email us on blindguyschat.com.

Drop us a line and come along. Email us on blindguyschat.com. We'll read it out. Before we head off, have you got any emails, uh, milady? Or—

oh gosh, that's a very good question. Oh gosh, it was me.

Surprise, surprise! We had to—

we We should— I suppose we should say, but there's probably no real need, but I will say that we had talked on the last podcast, I think it was, Claire McLaughlin had been promoting some tours of local buildings around the Dublin area, old buildings. Well, there's one

in particular,

the building, which was the Foreign Affairs Office.

Ivy House, yeah.

But that had to be cancelled because our public service Employees were having a strike the week of those tours, so that had to be cancelled. And I think at the last minute, kind of. Yeah, I think unfortunately maybe going to try it again next year.

Yeah,

but

she said it'll definitely happen next year, but it's just unfortunate because she put a lot of work into preparing for everything and then suddenly,

suddenly.

But anyway, look, it's it is how it is. I do have an email if you want to hear it.

All right. Okay.

It's from Adriana Prokopenko, and excuse me if I've pronounced that wrong. So, Adriana says, I'm wondering, or stop. She says,

is she from Colombia?

She doesn't say where she's from, so I don't know. But she says,

she's from Brazil and she wants to be president.

Hi.

No, Lula is the new president.

Lula is, yeah. But he's not. Well, your man won't accept. No, not yet. No, not yet. No,

they're fighting back. So father, so son, you know.

So Adriana says, hi, wondering if you can do one item per podcast or put the guests on first and then chat between yourselves after that. Way easier to listen since there are lots of podcasts these days. So, um, Adriana, I, I think thank you very much for your suggestion and yeah, yeah, producer will take it under advisement. suspect that he's gonna keep mixing it up. Now, I will

say, perhaps we need to invite her, you know, as a guest. Can we invite Adriana?

Perhaps. Like, we don't, we don't always do, um, guests. We don't always have an interview. We didn't, we don't have one this week, for example. But, uh, and sometimes we just shoot the breeze and we don't talk about anything. And that's kind of part of it, really. It's kind of part of it.

We simply chat about everything.

We just, we just talk. We just shoot the breeze. But, you know, we do learn from each other.

Have fun, have a drink, you know, have a cup of coffee or a beer, whatever.

But look, the

one thing I'll say, if you're only here for the interviews, I appreciate that you have, you know, a lot of podcasts to listen to and maybe not all the time in the world. So what I will say is that our lovely producer does put chapter marks that would give you an idea where the interview is.

So do you do that?

I do, yes.

He does, yeah. And they're funny actually sometimes.

I never noticed.

Sometimes the chapter names are hilarious. He can be very bold.

Um,

but that can give you a clue. So if you use your podcasting app, you should be able to see the chapter names. I know that my—

That's a good recommendation. Yeah. Well done.

The app I use is called Podcast Addict, and it doesn't display the chapter names unless I'm in the car. And the car does display it, which is quite weird. Um, but whatever, I think, um, Apple Podcasts and Spotify and all those, they, they do display them.

So,

yeah. Um, yeah, if you want to skip to the interviews, that's a really good way of doing it.

I can understand as well. I can understand.

Sorry that we're indulgent. And go to the emails. But it's, you know, it's, it's just how we are. Like, we've been this way for what, 6 years? I don't think we're gonna— we're into our 7th year of the podcast. I don't think we're gonna change how we do it.

Now, is it all 6, 7 years already?

2020.

It was September 2020. So we're in

our 7th year. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. And, and, and quite steady. Hey, we're a good record.

Not being sick or something. We're completely bananas, but sure.

Others have dropped.

Bananas. Oh yeah, bananas. Quite bananas then. Yeah.

The 3 of us are the original, actually. We're the original Beatles.

Yeah, we haven't broken up the band yet.

No, not yet. We're still talking.

Not yet. Imagine if we had a falling out, we didn't talk.

Unbelievable. You know, the show would just be silence. Okay, guys.

All right. So thank you. Thanks very much, Adriana. And, uh, we'll be, we'll be back at the same time and we'll see where we'll put the guest.

Uh, perhaps we will invite Mo for a guest, you know.

Maybe.

All right. Bye, guys. Okay. See you too next

time. Okay guys, bye-bye. Bye.