#135: Mohammed knows everything about the law, but he is not a lawyer!

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Welcome to Blind Guys Chat, where Oren o'.

Neill.

Hello.

Jan Bloom.

Hello.

And Mohammed Lashear.

Hi there.

Talk about the A to Z of life.

Well, hello, ladies and gentlemen. You're very welcome to episode 135 of Blind Guys Chat.

Isn't it amazing, guys?

Isn't it amazing? 35 episodes?

Yeah.

Quite a few.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

I think we're the only ones amazed by this. Everyone else is like, yeah, numbers go up.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, this is a simple explanation.

Yeah.

Things that go up, though. Oren's career trajectory goes up quite steeply.

Oh, smoothly done, though.

Very smooth.

Yeah.

Very proud of Oren. Yeah. For sure.

We will have a premiere, you know. You know, you all played with me this game when I had this really small. Yeah. And I will see, you know, but. But now you. We have a. Well, we have now and really script writer.

So we have a film star and a script writer. That'll be. That'll be a Blind Guys Chat movie soon. Yay.

You the producer. Mo and Claudia can direct.

Oh, thank you.

Then we can.

It might be the other way around, maybe.

No, we need somebody who can see.

Do you want to. Do you want to tell people what you did or do you want me to tell people what you did? Your favorite story.

There's a show, a podcast series called Maddie and Triggs and we have interviewed Bonnie and Bunny. Bunny Clyde, I think it was Aiden and Column. Yeah, I had not done about in column Toven.

We can link it.

Good. Yeah, we can link it actually to listen to that recording. But they got a wonderful Commission by the BBC and Orgy to make it their podcast, which was 15 episodes into a 52 episode TV series, which was fantastic. And I was delighted for the guys. And during the making of the TV series, the popped up. They came up with an idea and they contacted a training organization in Ireland called skillnet, together with the National Talent Academy here, which is another Irish organization. And basically they came up with a plan to train or give people who are blind or visually impaired the opportunity to try script writing. So I applied for this course and I was successful. I got on the course. It was running between, I think, April and May of 2020. And it was fantastic. It was really good. Writing is something I had never even thought about before, but I really liked it. And at the very end of the course, the 10 of us that were on the course were asked if you want to make a pitch or a springboard, as it's called, an idea, a concept for an episode of Maddy Intrigues. They would be very happy to read it and decide whether it would be made. And I, in conjunction with four other people from the course, were lucky enough to get to get commissioned to write an episode for the TV series this Kids Animation. Maddie and Tricks. Yay.

Kids Animation. Okay, Children.

It's wonderfully shot and it's designed for people with different vision impairments. So, you know, the design of the character and how they do the animation is done very thoughtfully.

Yeah.

And did you then write also then the audio description and the way. Or what did you do and. And what was your.

We. We did. I was involved in the audio description because we were going to write and produce the audio description for the series anyway, and Clara Murray did a wonderful job on that.

So have you guys interviewed Clara?

No, I can't. I think she might have been on the show, but I'm not sure. But if not, we should get her on the show and get her to talk about it.

Yeah.

But my major involvement was to write this episode called, which I. The idea I had was about a dog. The series is Maddie and Triggs, and Triggs is a dog. And Maddie is a young girl, I think about six or seven, and she is visually impaired. And she goes on these adventures with her dog Triggs. And the episode I wrote was about Triggs getting quite distracted as he's walking along. They're going to the dog park to have free run, and on the way they meet a guide dog and his owner. Guide dog's name is Lolo. And Triggs is bemused as to why the guide dog Lolo, isn't saying hello to Triggs and isn't jumping around and isn't sniffing things and what have you. So Lolo explains that he's a guide dog and it's. The story is taken from there. And through it all, Triggs is getting distracted while Lolo is helping her owner get to the dog park. And they go. They all. They go in a free run after. And of course, Lolo goes mad because once he's off, lead turns into a regular dog. Turns into a regular dog. So. And there's a little song in the middle about called Dogs at Jobs. And oh, it's so sweet. It's available now, unfortunately, it's only available.

Did you sing Oren yourself, or.

I did, yeah, I sang. I composed it. I played every instrument. I didn't need the orchestra. No, I didn't. Dina, a wonderful woman called Dina diamond helped me with the lyrics and did a wonderful job. It's already available on the RT player. It's called Dogs with Jobs episode 46. And then it will go on linear TV next week on the 11th, we'll.

Put a link to the the show the Player. But the thing is that it'll only work in the UK or Ireland, unfortunately. Well, the. I don't know if the Irish link will work in the UK, will it? But certainly the see it either on.

CBB's or the BBC iPlayer in the UK or on RTE Junior Linear or on the RTE Player Kids Kids channel. And.

And as if that wasn't enough, he also wrote an article today that got published about his experience of learning how to be a screenwriter and writing this thing.

So he's getting too much now.

I know he's so famous, I just can't get over it. So I can put a link to that as well in the show notes.

And just a little update. Maddie and Triggs has become available in more countries since I recorded this. So have a look at the show notes to see where it's available.

I'm just. I mean, I'm seriously. I'm so proud of him.

So listen, guys, I'm gonna have to go because I embarrassed him too much for the Oscars. So.

It was nice meeting you guys.

I think the creative writing course has gotten to his head now.

Yeah, I think so, too.

He's now starting to creatively write his life, I don't think.

Did you drink already? Something A happy hour of. It's Friday.

No, we haven't had any celebration. We were talking about doing maybe a little mini party on Tuesday when it transmits.

Mini party on Tuesday?

Maybe.

But we were just talking before we started recording that Jan is already an actor and a film star. I'm a writer. So we could make. Mo could be the producer and Clodagh could be the director. So. Yeah, we could make a little industry blind, guys.

Chat the movie. Yeah, there we go.

I'm not sure it's quite that interesting.

Believe me, there won't be a sequel to that.

Maybe a pre.

No, there won't be one sequel. There'll be 135. Just with how many podcast episodes we've made.

I think so plenty of topics, I think, to.

Yeah.

Material. My God, Santa Claus and whatever, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, speaking of names, we better. We better put the call out to Santa soon because it's. It's coming up to that time, isn't it?

Although we are. You know, we skipped the whole weather thing, but yesterday, this week, it is extremely nice Weather here in the Netherlands.

Yeah.

17 degrees.

Celsius.

But that's okay.

No, not right today even.

No, we had a gorgeous day yesterday. It was like a summer's day. It was beautiful.

I think we need to get Professor John Sweeney back on because he's at cop. Cop. What is it?

Oh, in Brazil.

In Brazil at the moment.

I cannot understand how you guys basically get the same weather as us. And we're further. No, ever so slightly. We are. Ireland is ever so slightly further south.

I think it's the fact that Ireland is just, you know, sticking out, surrounded on all sides by sea.

Yeah, but. But I think that. Yeah, but the sea is warming up quite gradually. So I think you are getting more and more warm.

Well, it's. I think it's the worst. At the poles or in the truck? No, at the polls. I think it's the worst where it warms up.

Yeah.

Really?

Wow.

Well, I was. I was. I was actually here listening to Professor John Sweeney on the radio last week. We had you. Do you know that? Do you remember that storm in. Was it Melissa going through Jamaica?

Yeah.

And, and Professor Sweeney was saying that the sea temperature from Jamaica all the way to Africa was somewhere in the 30s.

No.

Yeah.

Is he talking about Fahrenheit though?

No, I think he. No, I think he.

No, that couldn't be Fahrenheit.

Yeah, but he said it's. It's really warm along.

Along that sea and those storms and will we only getting more and more powerful, you know, with all those water. What will be coming up.

I wouldn't come here. We're already below sea level.

Or you need to go. Yeah. You're able to swim, I think. Claudia. Or not.

Ah, yeah.

Okay.

Maybe just go to the Alps or so. Go live in Zurich, Switzerland. It'll be a nice coastal town in like 10 years or so.

Too expensive though.

Yeah. Our. Our mountain. Yeah. The Dutch mountains are not high enough, I would say.

How high Your mountains? I didn't even know you had mountains.

We don't have. No, we don't.

We have mole hills. That we do.

Yeah.

And you're just making mountains.

Oh yeah. We have a song. What is it? Yeah, the Dutch Mountains. What is it?

I don't know.

I sing there for a minute. John.

Yeah, I was hoping you'd break into.

In the Dutch mountains, but then I had. Okay, but. But I will bring it up to, to the, to the, to the. To the show notes. The Dutch Mountains. That's a nice song. No, our highest hill I think is 480 meters or something.

Oh, yeah.

All the way in the south of the country.

Yeah.

It's so cute.

It's very high.

Yeah.

We are in awe every time we see it.

It's not easy. It's not easy.

We have a difficult time getting up road bumps because they're so just. There's not enough oxygen up there is.

10, 38 meters and people from, you know, Germany and places like that laugh at us. In France and Italy.

Yeah.

It's called Karen Tuhal.

Okay.

And it's very pretty.

Yeah. Our lowest mountain is minus a thousand below sea level.

It's just full of water.

You should try that.

Where we get. Get the gas from, you know.

Yeah. Drilling.

Yeah, yeah. No, but congratulations again, Mr. Oren.

Thank you very much. It's amazing.

And if anyone wants an animation script written, you know who to call. He's actually working on a film script at the moment, actually, but we won't say anything about that.

Yeah.

Secret for a while.

So, Oren, you had something about the EAA as well?

Yeah, yeah.

And I was. Yeah, thank you very much. And I'm just, I don't know why during that conversation, but all I was thinking about that when I was trying to explain what I was doing was about Elon Musk wanting to be the first trillionaire. Trillionaire in the world.

I heard that.

Yeah.

Oh my goodness.

What's a trillionaire?

That's someone who has more than a tr. Trillion dollars, which is a thousand billion dollars.

A thousand billion. Okay, see that doesn't sound like a.

Lot, but a billion.

How many, Nils? How many zeros? How many? How many?

So 6 and 9 to 12.

12 or something.

Yeah, 12. But, but, but, but we should all thank him. You know, there is too much money in the world and he's just, you know, making sure not everyone has to carry all that much in their wallets. You know, you would be able to go out with all that money I don't even have, so. He's a hero. He's a hero.

I. I listened to a podcast on the BBC today and when you are stapling all the hundred dollar notes, it was from the, from the, from the.

Earth to the moon of Elon's notes.

Yeah. Wow.

Yeah.

Well, I was listening to a radio report today at somebody who was at the share the shareholders meeting that he was at. I presume it was this week where he said to the people present, you know, this is a bangin shareholders meeting. The normal. The ones I go to normally are so boring. But he had these two These. This new thing is robots he's gone into now. And apparently these robots. His idea is that the robots are going to be able to follow. Follow you around so that you don't steal anything.

Oh, oh, okay.

No, when you're out and about.

Oh, so that you don't. Oh, so they're going to be like little police robots. Yeah, so they follow everybody. So everyone will have a little robot assigned to them. Is it. Or just the people who are likely to steal stuff.

Or maybe it's people who are likely to.

Okay.

If I turn around and found somebody.

Following me, I'd be a bit dystopia, doesn't it?

My. My idea is for. Is fairly simple. Just kick it over the rope.

No. What if Alex, though there is an even better idea. Steal it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be awesome. Well, somebody said to pay back with the same thing.

Someone said, and they're very bright. The reporter was there was very bright. I said, what? They what? What Pete, the people who are stealing will end up doing is hacking into the robot and get the robot to steal for them for.

Yeah, there you go. Now you're talking crime. Yeah. Partners in crime.

Yeah.

Anyway, real, real buddies.

What were we talking about? Oh, yeah, we were talking about the eaa. So there's a company I deal with who recently asked me to upload identification, you know, passport and utility bill. You know, the way you have to do this every few months for regular banking, what have you.

Yeah.

So I went on to the website that they gave me a link to to up to do the upload and you put in your details and that was all fine. And then you get to the section of uploading the images, the utility bill and identification, etc. And I couldn't do it because it was a graphic, it wasn't a button. Okay. As usual, you know, we've had this experience. So I wrote to the company and I said, this is the problem. And I said, this is in breach of European Accessibility act regulation. Could you pass this on to the company that you bought this software from? This is the answer I got right from. Which is forwarded onto me. And I'm not reading it verbatim, but this was the gist of it. The company who developed the software wrote that they are not obliged to make the software that they have accessible within the EAA because they are supplying it to a client who doesn't need it to be accessible.

So, in other words, their only duty of care is to the person who buys their software? Not to the person who's using that software via their client.

Correct. So if I had bought the software, I would have been in my rights to say this software is not accessible, but because I was using it through a third party.

Wow.

The software company said, legally we don't have to do a thing about this because you're not our client.

This is legally correct, I think. I'm not a lawyer, by the way, but I'm like chatgpt. I say things legal mode.

Yeah. So we could be a lawyer.

But, but, but I. The third party that is offering you this service through their software is legally bound to actually give you an accessible experience. So they should go to their supplier and say, look, we're at legal risk. Fix this, or we go somewhere else. Yeah, that's the path.

Now, the problem is that it's very.

Similar to consumer law here.

Yeah.

So if I buy something from a, let's say an electronic store, I buy a computer there. Right. I go there, buy a computer. The actual manufacturer of the computer is not obliged to give me support or to give me a warranty. Who is obliged to do that? Is the store, the person who sells? Because they are selling it to me. So this is very similar. So, yes, the software company is not legally obliged, but their client is. And so their client needs to be held to account. And then the client can go to the supplier and say, fix it or else.

Yeah.

Now the only, the only problem with that is that it's one of those pieces of software that basically allows them to do what they do. So in order to change that software would be a huge.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but the thing is. Yeah, but the thing is you.

You don't need to care, I suppose. Yeah.

It's not none of your business. Your business is.

So in other words, go back to your. The company that you've been dealing with and say, okay, fine, they have no duty of care to me. But you do.

You do. Yeah.

Under the same law. So you go fix it.

It's about responsibility. Yeah, it's your responsibility. You sell me a product, a digital product, you have to required to be accessible under the eaa. It's not my problem. Whether it's your fault or your supplier's fault or anyone's fault, I'm buying this service from you, you fix it. End of story. The law doesn't care. The law tells you you are responsible to give me an accessible service. End of story. That there's where it's at, where it ends.

But is it Then please help me. You know, we recently got a new kitchen in our house and then. Yeah. Hey, Mo, you. You saw that this also with our new induction cooker. Isn't that also then EAA then?

Anyway, no, again, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I know, the EAA is about digital services. And unless you're like that plate, that hot plate is. Is linked to the Internet somehow, I don't think you can claim for it to need to be accessible. But I'm not sure.

Let's say it was a smart oven.

Yeah. Then it has to be accessible.

Then it has to be accessible.

A smart. But what is that?

Maybe so you know the way.

Maybe even a not smart oven. I don't know that for sure, John. I would.

Stupid oven.

So that may be something.

There are smart ovens where you can. There are smart ovens that you can buy that you can, you know, connect.

Turn on remote. Yeah, turn on remote, set the temperature.

Smart washing machine through an app or.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like our washing machine is fierce smart altogether. We can. I can tell it.

Oh, it is. Sings a little song at the end of things.

Yeah, mine. Mine too. Mine too.

I still want that song to be a jingle for an email jingle or some kind of jingle.

I'm just wondering like we. We were talking last. The last episode about freesat. Now I'm thinking about getting. Changing my provider from sky and getting a freesat box. So theoretically, if I go to the supplier of the free SAP box in Ireland and I say to him or her, whoever is behind the counter, is that. Is this an accessible product? And they say, I haven't a clue. And I say, okay, I'll buy it, but I'll. And then I'll test it and see if it's an accessible product. And if it isn't an accessible product, I'm coming back to you because it's your responsibility to sell me an accessible product.

Yeah.

Basically, that's what you're saying.

Yeah. Warranty is their access. Their. Their responsibility. They know about that. They may not know about this. So mom and Pop Shop may not know about this, but it's still true. That person is responsible for giving you a product that is accessible.

Yeah. However, problem still is that. And I can imagine this is what will happen is anybody goes back to the shop that they bought the item from and you say, this is not accessible. It's your responsibility. They go back to the manufacturer and a manufacturer says, yeah, it's not accessible, but we don't have to make it accessible. Until 2030, because we have a lead in period. It doesn't have to be accessible right now. As long as it's accessible by 2030, we don't care about your customer.

I mean, that's so annoying because the director was actually adopted in 2019 in Ireland and it's still not useful law because you still can't enforce it, which is.

Yeah, if that's true and you can't yet enforce it, then there's nothing you can do. But. But the fact of the matter remains that the person who sells you the product is responsible for selling you an accessible product.

Okay, well, Oren, you go back to that guy and tell him that you're a council. Your barrister has said senior council.

Yeah. And otherwise we can write you a script, you know, to do that, you know.

No. Has it there. He's got it.

Yeah, Word for word.

There you go. That's how I understand the law. I will reiterate. I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I understand the law.

If you do have any issues that you would like to talk about the EA, please email mohammed.lashearnknowthelaw.com but I'm not a lawyer. But not blind guys.

No, no, Muhammad at. I am not a lawyer.

That'd be a great.

Oh, my God.

It's a new career. It's really.

Yeah, there you go. We're all having.

What else is going on?

Well, I must say, I forgot to say that the top of the show. I'm delighted that you guys are now talking to each other.

Why have they fallen out?

Well, because they fell out when they went on their. On their date to the football match.

Yeah, that's what I learned. Yeah.

You. You.

You made up a nice funny thing. But. But it. But it. I felt really sorry, you know, I. I was in the stadium second half. I was still wa. But what Mo described was really true. I was out already indoors, and Mo and Chantal got a ticket for another part of the stadium. And we thought that they could enter also by the same door. And then they would say, no, you need to go to the other side of the stadium. And then we said, come on, this is my blind friend and he's coming for the blind. How do you say the blind? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the blind chance. And. And we reserved a place for him there, you know, And. And she is my guide, you know, so she has to guide us. So. No.

Yeah.

And then I. What, What Mo said, we called the manager of this. Of this yada blind department of the stadium. And then he came down and he made a call and da, da, da, da, da. And in the end it was. But it was a little bit funny in the end. We went nicely up. No, it was a nice game in the end. The result was also there. So that's good.

Yeah.

And even. Yeah, we're still doing well. Well, we, we, we did very bad on the. What is it on the Baker Tournament. Yeah, yeah, you had a cup. So. So we are kicked out of that. So now we have only the competition. But yeah, even tonight they're on. So, yeah, we hoped that, that they're doing well.

And just a little update for you folks. Jan's team won four nil. All right, come on, we're going to. Emails. Have you got any emails?

I do have emails, yes. We got an email from the artist, Claire McLaughlin. She sent. Oh, we didn't talk about Halloween. Do you guys do. Anyway, she sent an email on Halloween, which was the 31st of October, and she said, hello, guys, I just wanted to let you know, you and your listeners know about two upcoming Seen Unseen events in November. One is Overall Red. It was today, in fact. So that's. I'm not going to bother reading that one out. Sorry, Claire. The next one is Seen Unseen goes racing and it'll be at Fairy House. Yes, horse racing.

I thought Formula One, you know, like in Brazil.

Well, now that'll be Derek Bells on if that was the case. Ferry House Racing Racecourse in collaboration with Horse Racing Ireland on Saturday, November 29. And again, participation is free of charge. To register, simply email art is Claire McLaughlin. Claire McLaughlin. Mail emailmail.com. i'll put this in the show notes or send a voice note or text to her phone number, which I will also put in the show notes. So it's. It's a racing event scene Unseen goes racing. It's normally art stuff. So I don't know the one that was today. I'm really sad. I missed. Because it was about Harry Clark, who was a very famous stained glass artist. Irish stained glass artist. Amazing, amazing. So I'm really sad that we missed that.

But anyway, yeah, we'll go to the horse racing.

Yeah.

Do you like.

You can jump on the.

Do I love horse racing?

Do you. I like horses.

You like horses? Yeah. But I think that Oren likes to bet on horses, you know.

Oh, you spot on. Yeah.

Every so often Oren tells me to go buy a lottery ticket and I get so annoyed because we never win anything and it's such a waste of money.

That's true.

Oh, we forgot why the euro lot of tonight.

I also have never won anything. You know, we participated once or. Yeah, yeah, a couple of times in the start. Slow today also, you know, every. When New Year's Eve on that style.

But.

But no. Did you win something, Mo, or are you not participating?

No, I'm not participating.

Claudo has this horrible thing of doing which says, oh, we won seven euro on the lottery. And I go, yay, we're winners. And she went, no, I spent €6 on the ticket.

And this is. How many. How many tickets have we bought? And we haven't done anything. So actually we're down. He's like. But overall we're up. I really think we have to stop doing it because it's such a waste. And not that we do it that often. It's the odd time we just. But no, it's such a waste of money. The only thing is it helps charities, but I think I'd rather help the charity directly.

But if we won a hundred million, we'd be able to buy a cruise ship and take. No, you wouldn't be able to buy.

A cruise ship for that blind guy's chat.

We could take a blind guy chat podcast around the world on our own cruise ship.

Yeah, would be nice for 100 million. I think your hundred million would be gone in a hurry.

I think it would.

Go on.

I'll time you. Or in.

It's not gonna be a very big boat.

I mean, a rowboat or.

And.

And you know.

Are you.

Are you suggesting we buy a cruise dinghy?

The cruise canoe.

We'll get the o' Donovans from Planet Kilty to. To row us around the place. No, no, no. I'll tell you, I don't know, I just. I'm not. Yeah. I love horses. I don't like horse racing personally, but I know.

Have you ever been sitting on a horse? Have you been riding a horse? Yeah, okay.

Yeah, Yeah, I used to. I used to ride a lot when I was younger. My dad was a show jumper. Well, not a professional one, but he was trained by a professional show jumper called Iris Cat. She was very famous in Ireland back in the day. And he wanted to be a professional, but he couldn't because he had a heart condition, so they wouldn't. He couldn't get insurance.

That's sad.

Yeah. Yeah. So he trained to be a vet and he couldn't get set up a vet practice because they could. He couldn't get insurance. So he ended up being a veterinary lecturer. And he was amazing and loved It. And a lot of his students still talk about him cuz he was so, so well loved. Which is lovely.

Brilliant.

Lovely.

Yeah, he was amazing. There you go. Do you have time for another one or no?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do we just cut it together?

If you don't.

We do. We have one from Tom.

Hello.

Which is Irish for Thomas.

Thomas.

Oh, wow.

Oh, Thomas.

Okay. Okay.

And actually, maybe this isn't a good idea because we might need to do some prep for this.

Uh. Oh, we don't like doing prep on bgc.

No, I know. Will I read it out anyway?

Go on.

All right, so. Hi, lads. Thanks for such an entertaining podcast. I'm always hunting for good telly with quality audio description. Some shows describe everything beautifully while others barely bother. What are your top picks for ad, especially on Netflix or Apple tv?

Sloan, Tomas, Hang on there till I get on me soapbox. Oh. Oh.

Asking the right fella.

Well, I'll make it. I'll make it a quick answer.

Okay. Okay.

Because I could rant on this for ages, as you all know. I would say watch the Diplomat on Netflix. Okay. The description is not terribly bad. It's that bad. It's good.

It's good. I would say.

I would say watch the current season of Slow Horses on Apple tv.

Oh, you'd have to start from the beginning.

However, I was just going to put a caveat in AD from series. Series. Series 1 to 4. The AD is not good. But. But they changed the audio describer for series five and it's much better. And I'm currently watching, which I've never seen before, again, for another writing gig, Stranger Things.

Oh. Which is very good.

Which is actually very well described.

Yes. Stranger Things is such a good series.

Orin won't let me watch it.

It's very scary.

It's probably not for you, Clara.

I love that, you know, I love that, you know that I'd be sitting there behind my cushion going, is it over yet?

I don't. I don't think it's the scariest thing I've ever seen, but it is very creepy.

But it's the implication that the implications.

It's. It's quite creepy and relatively disturbing. So I wouldn't watch it.

Okay.

Thanks, Mo.

Oh, so there's. Right. That we recommend. Would you guys recommend anything apart from.

I actually like the Game of Thrones audio description? I'm. I'm, you know, fighting my way through it right now. It's. It's a lot, but it's not bad. But that's on hbo Max, obviously.

Oh, right.

Then I. I liked the audio description of Stranger Things. I also like the audio description of this little series called Arcane, which is a. An animation series on Netflix that is in the world of League of Legends.

Oh.

And it's very good. It is. It is a very good story. And the ad is also pretty good.

Well, there you go.

That's a good one to watch, that.

Yeah.

Arcane on Netflix Arcade. Yep.

And what about Apple tv? Are there any on Apple TV that you'd recommend?

Well, I did say Slow Horses.

I want to watch Severance, but I don't know how good the ad is on.

We started, but Oren couldn't take it because it was a bit too close to his life, so.

Oh, really? So we stopped autobiographic, you know. Oh, oh, oh.

And I'll just leave that one there.

Yeah, I think that's enough.

Oh, yeah.

Okay. Well, it's a good start to be. Sorry. I was in a good mood when I got up this morning.

Yeah, well, you're gonna celebrate the party on Tuesday, so hang on till Tuesday.

Hang on. You can do it. All right, I'm sure.

Yeah. All right, folks, that is it for the podcast. We will see you in two weeks time, but don't forget the email. And please do email us. It's blind guys chat gmail.com and we'll see you in two weeks time. Yo.

Bye.

Bye. Take care.

Byebye.